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Cheap & Crass's avatar

Thank you so much for this! I've been thinking so much about these ideas lately! Also, Peterson melts into a puddle of incoherent metaphysical goo so cutely though, I almost forget his argument and what he's defending. That's why I mostly stick to Peterson's classroom lectures. He can be extremely hard to follow when he doesn't have structure. After I wrote my last couple of essays I've been thinking about the nature my beliefs and religion in general. I think I'm quite nihilistic in general when it comes to hearing out someone's religious beliefs.

For example, just last night I got into a twitter argument with a jpeg about Satanism and Christianity and I think it summed up what I've been thinking about lately. I said "Satanic symbols I choose to represent myself are simply symbols. Satan or Jesus as symbols don't matter. It's what you do with those symbols that count. Too many Christians (not just Christians) are using their symbols to control, shame, and degrade. Too many people are wolves in sheeps clothing. I don't care if a person is Christian or a Satanist but I have no patience for masks and subtle manipulation. "

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TJ Radcliffe's avatar

You've summed up the two aspects of the Christian motte beautifully. Unfortunately for religious believers, "the God-shaped hole" and "the ground of being" aren't just unrelated to the specifics of any given theology: they're contradictory to each other.

There's a quote from Augustine (I think) that I read in a book years ago which I've never been able to find since, where he lays out these two aspects of God. On the one hand God is singular, infinite, omni-present, beyond space and time, utterly beyond our comprehension, incapable of definition... and at the same time loves us and sent his only begotten Son to die for us, etc... Augustine (or whoever it was) goes on to acknowledge this contradiction: knowing God's love is knowing an unknowable being, and so on.

I'm pretty sure it's even worse than that (there is an aspect of reality that conforms to theologian's notions of God, and it tells us that it has a kind of "strong unknowability" that makes revealed religion impossible) but that's bad enough!

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