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Michael Blissenbach's avatar

“The people who self-select to identify with the ultimate rebel and outsider tend towards narcissism and don’t work well together. More broadly, people who self-select to be identified as outsiders will, in my view, have a higher-than-average level of pathology and dysfunction. This might be due to having a greater level of trauma in life, but it might also be due to personality traits that lead one to embrace outsiderdom in the first place.”

This is also the case in Catholicism with many in both the Tridentine Mass crowd and the “Spirit of Vatican II crowd” who both claim to be more Catholic than the Pope, in different ways.

Now, to be fair, I do have dear friends who attend the Tridentine Mass because they like its reverence and aesthetics, but stay away from the toxic “rad-trad”, for lack of a better term, that the Tridentine Mass also attract. I’m not talking about people like my friends who are deferential to the Magisterium of the Catholic Church and are the antithesis of pharisaicism: but there is a big crowd of holier-than-thou people who are sourpusses who want to gripe about Vatican II and how awful the post-Vatican II Mass is and complain about the Pope (the theology of the Spirit of Vatican II crowd has the same mindset and mannerisms but is theologically opposite except they agree that Vatican II is a break with the Church’s tradition and look at it through a hermeneutic of rupture rather than the hermeneutic of continuity that Pope St. Paul VI and every single one of his successors say is the correct way of reading and interpreting Vatican II, but I don’t want to go too far out into the weeds here).

All this to say, with a few exceptions who are level-headed people and dear friends of mine, I tend to avoid both these factions in the Catholic Church to the furthest extent possible.

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There is an alternate universe where you and I on a Zoom call discussing masculinity in Revolt of the Angels, figuring out how to turn it into a meaningful service. But we don't live in that universe, we live in this one. I feel very lucky to know you in it and appreciate your thoughts that you've shared. One thing I will say is that what was done by so e folks to you, and folks like you, was cruel and unjust. I will do what I can to ensure that culture never returns.

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